The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . I suspect not many. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. We use cookies. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Most of the coverage has focused on this. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). You are using an out of date browser. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Home Forums All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. It still has to look good decades from now. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. I really quite like that now. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? The double arrow is still overused, though. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. It's the name of the island ffs. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. JavaScript is disabled. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. 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Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. Goodbye. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. It's good work (and the previous set). Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. Or the awful corporate blue BR? Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. the handling/liability of pensions etc. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Why not capitalize on it? But theres no particular reason this should be. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. Erm are you sure about that? Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. 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